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		<title>By: Scenery</title>
		<link>http://brendanhughes.ie/2008/08/31/online-community-ireland-rules/#comment-1010</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 11:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I for one am planning on chasing the online advertising gravy train with my personal blog, nicescenery.blogspot.com.  I dont see the problem.  If you find them obtrusive youre not obliged to stay.  I dont get why this merits a lecture from on high.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I for one am planning on chasing the online advertising gravy train with my personal blog, nicescenery.blogspot.com.  I dont see the problem.  If you find them obtrusive youre not obliged to stay.  I dont get why this merits a lecture from on high.</p>
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		<title>By: Communication before publication. Encourage, don&#8217;t demolish. &#187; Web Design Cork</title>
		<link>http://brendanhughes.ie/2008/08/31/online-community-ireland-rules/#comment-798</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Communication before publication. Encourage, don&#8217;t demolish. &#187; Web Design Cork]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 11:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Brendan Hughes writes an interesting piece on how it can be offputting for new companies to get involved in new media because they witness other companies getting a good old fashioned dressing down online if they put a foot wrong (thanks to Damien for pointing it out). [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Brendan Hughes writes an interesting piece on how it can be offputting for new companies to get involved in new media because they witness other companies getting a good old fashioned dressing down online if they put a foot wrong (thanks to Damien for pointing it out). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Brendan</title>
		<link>http://brendanhughes.ie/2008/08/31/online-community-ireland-rules/#comment-795</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brendan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 18:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Damien, I think you are right that it is different for businesses than for individuals. On this (personal) blog I am much more relaxed about what I do and say. On the company blog it is very different. For one, we went off and got advice from members of the community both before and after launch. This is an important part of the process.

Frank. It&#039;s all about the intent. Very few ever set out to be disruptive. Showing tolerance and patience while newcomers figure things out is a big part of a moderator&#039;s responsibility. Given that the online community self-moderating (so to speak) we could do with a little more tolerance and patience.

BarterMan, we certainly still are in &quot;a huge minefield waiting to explode&quot; and this level of uncertainty is putting many off from getting stuck in. I spoke to people in work today about Twitter and Jaiku and they expressed amazement at the rate that things are changing online. Its getting harder and harder for (non-techie) business/marketing people to keep a handle on what&#039;s happening.

Dan, with traditional media the journalist has the responsibility to ensure the accuracy of what they write. The essence of social media is that this screening is removed. Everyone is free to publish whatever they want. The more inaccurate information that is put out in blogs the more people will turn away from them as reliable sources of information. This is a challenge as some research earlier in the year from Edelman showed that blogs are now less influential than they were previously.

Thanks for all the comments guys. I&#039;m glad that the topic is one that is in people&#039;s minds.  I&#039;ll certainly try to figure out the rules, by both participating and watching, and document them where I can for others&#039; benefit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damien, I think you are right that it is different for businesses than for individuals. On this (personal) blog I am much more relaxed about what I do and say. On the company blog it is very different. For one, we went off and got advice from members of the community both before and after launch. This is an important part of the process.</p>
<p>Frank. It&#8217;s all about the intent. Very few ever set out to be disruptive. Showing tolerance and patience while newcomers figure things out is a big part of a moderator&#8217;s responsibility. Given that the online community self-moderating (so to speak) we could do with a little more tolerance and patience.</p>
<p>BarterMan, we certainly still are in &#8220;a huge minefield waiting to explode&#8221; and this level of uncertainty is putting many off from getting stuck in. I spoke to people in work today about Twitter and Jaiku and they expressed amazement at the rate that things are changing online. Its getting harder and harder for (non-techie) business/marketing people to keep a handle on what&#8217;s happening.</p>
<p>Dan, with traditional media the journalist has the responsibility to ensure the accuracy of what they write. The essence of social media is that this screening is removed. Everyone is free to publish whatever they want. The more inaccurate information that is put out in blogs the more people will turn away from them as reliable sources of information. This is a challenge as some research earlier in the year from Edelman showed that blogs are now less influential than they were previously.</p>
<p>Thanks for all the comments guys. I&#8217;m glad that the topic is one that is in people&#8217;s minds.  I&#8217;ll certainly try to figure out the rules, by both participating and watching, and document them where I can for others&#8217; benefit.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://brendanhughes.ie/2008/08/31/online-community-ireland-rules/#comment-794</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Sullivan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 14:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The other aspect about rules is consistency, demanding standards from businesses or individuals that one is disinclined to practice one&#039;s self runs completely counter to that. There is an expectation in a business environment that there is some minimal degree of courtesy or professionalism at play. If the model of behaviour they see on-line is to be brash, rude and all about the end result then why should anyone be surprised if that&#039;s the model some new entrants choose to follow in how they behave on-line.

Imagine if a business were to claim it was being harassed or squeezed out of the marketplace by a named entity but then never backed up its claims it would be laughed out of the room. That&#039;s not the case with some of the elders or commentariat, either here or elsewhere. Whether it&#039;s about Gov. Palin&#039;s fifth kid or how great your new business venture is the model practised if not preached on-line is to get in there first with your claims to build traffic and then worry about accuracy later.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The other aspect about rules is consistency, demanding standards from businesses or individuals that one is disinclined to practice one&#8217;s self runs completely counter to that. There is an expectation in a business environment that there is some minimal degree of courtesy or professionalism at play. If the model of behaviour they see on-line is to be brash, rude and all about the end result then why should anyone be surprised if that&#8217;s the model some new entrants choose to follow in how they behave on-line.</p>
<p>Imagine if a business were to claim it was being harassed or squeezed out of the marketplace by a named entity but then never backed up its claims it would be laughed out of the room. That&#8217;s not the case with some of the elders or commentariat, either here or elsewhere. Whether it&#8217;s about Gov. Palin&#8217;s fifth kid or how great your new business venture is the model practised if not preached on-line is to get in there first with your claims to build traffic and then worry about accuracy later.</p>
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		<title>By: BarterMan</title>
		<link>http://brendanhughes.ie/2008/08/31/online-community-ireland-rules/#comment-793</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BarterMan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 00:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Like any good parent... Do it once, it is a learning... do it again (knowingly) and it&#039;s a mistake... that needs to be punished. The Internet doesn&#039;t really have any Police, as such, but it does have &#039;elders&#039; as you suggest... and they should act in respect of their positions (elected or otherwise)...

As to a business being any different to us &#039;locals&#039;...? The &quot;Wild, Wild, Web&quot; (as I prefer to call it) is still a huge minefield waiting to explode... with greatness or shrapnel, who knows...

If we can&#039;t act in a civilized manner here in this virtual, anonymous realm, is there really any hope elsewhere...?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like any good parent&#8230; Do it once, it is a learning&#8230; do it again (knowingly) and it&#8217;s a mistake&#8230; that needs to be punished. The Internet doesn&#8217;t really have any Police, as such, but it does have &#8216;elders&#8217; as you suggest&#8230; and they should act in respect of their positions (elected or otherwise)&#8230;</p>
<p>As to a business being any different to us &#8216;locals&#8217;&#8230;? The &#8220;Wild, Wild, Web&#8221; (as I prefer to call it) is still a huge minefield waiting to explode&#8230; with greatness or shrapnel, who knows&#8230;</p>
<p>If we can&#8217;t act in a civilized manner here in this virtual, anonymous realm, is there really any hope elsewhere&#8230;?</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Fullard</title>
		<link>http://brendanhughes.ie/2008/08/31/online-community-ireland-rules/#comment-792</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frank Fullard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 21:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I moderate a forum,  www.irishbusinesswomen.com, and from time to time a new member will post something that breaks some rule or other. My experience is that 99% of the time they are not consciously doing anything wrong and when told almost invariably act positively. 
Toleration goes a long way in my general experience.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I moderate a forum,  <a href="http://www.irishbusinesswomen.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.irishbusinesswomen.com</a>, and from time to time a new member will post something that breaks some rule or other. My experience is that 99% of the time they are not consciously doing anything wrong and when told almost invariably act positively.<br />
Toleration goes a long way in my general experience.</p>
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		<title>By: Damien Mulley &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Art of Being Subtle Part II</title>
		<link>http://brendanhughes.ie/2008/08/31/online-community-ireland-rules/#comment-791</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Damien Mulley &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Art of Being Subtle Part II]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] you may want to subscribe to my site using a feedreader or email. Thanks for visiting - Damien.Brendan has a great post about the way some people online treat newcomers to online communities: Over the past while I have [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] you may want to subscribe to my site using a feedreader or email. Thanks for visiting &#8211; Damien.Brendan has a great post about the way some people online treat newcomers to online communities: Over the past while I have [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Damien Mulley</title>
		<link>http://brendanhughes.ie/2008/08/31/online-community-ireland-rules/#comment-790</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Damien Mulley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 18:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d consider online communities like soccer matches in the green area of a local estate. No written rules but you wouldn&#039;t run in and start playing without observing first and asking people who are also watching or participating how it works.

To expect those on the pitch to be patient for every single person that attempts to join this game is asking far too much. You&#039;ll only get a bollocking when you do something wrong, you&#039;re not going to be sought out and berated for just being new.

Equally to expect them to supply a set of rules for &quot;their&quot; game is also asking far too much. They want to a) play the game and b) the rules are still forming in front of their own eyes.

There will be others who are watching this match who will take time out to explain the rules to the best of their knowledge. You&#039;ll find them as you observe the match. 

As for harsh dressing downs. I think businesses experience the harshest of them because they are meant to be the pros, they are meant to have done the footwork and research because they have the resources to do so and when they ignore the same online rules which they adhere to offline then it&#039;s arrogance not ignorance that&#039;s to blame.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d consider online communities like soccer matches in the green area of a local estate. No written rules but you wouldn&#8217;t run in and start playing without observing first and asking people who are also watching or participating how it works.</p>
<p>To expect those on the pitch to be patient for every single person that attempts to join this game is asking far too much. You&#8217;ll only get a bollocking when you do something wrong, you&#8217;re not going to be sought out and berated for just being new.</p>
<p>Equally to expect them to supply a set of rules for &#8220;their&#8221; game is also asking far too much. They want to a) play the game and b) the rules are still forming in front of their own eyes.</p>
<p>There will be others who are watching this match who will take time out to explain the rules to the best of their knowledge. You&#8217;ll find them as you observe the match. </p>
<p>As for harsh dressing downs. I think businesses experience the harshest of them because they are meant to be the pros, they are meant to have done the footwork and research because they have the resources to do so and when they ignore the same online rules which they adhere to offline then it&#8217;s arrogance not ignorance that&#8217;s to blame.</p>
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